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		<title>By: Political Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30904</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed GW. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed GW. <img src='http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Political Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30903</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dominic, please refer to my first ever post, shouldn&#039;t be beyond your limited technical capabilities.  All I can really say on the issue of blog popularity is this.  A while back I duped you into putting a link from your site to mine.  It took only till last week for the total number of referrals from your site to top 100 and many of those are repeat referrals although I could never get round to analysing them all because I&#039;m far too busy doing other things.
In contrast, a referral from someone like Bob Piper, Tim Ireland or Tom Watson would bag me more than 100 referrals in under a 24 hour period.  I know you may wish to think of yourself as some uber blogger type but on that basis, and believe me, it&#039;s one of the things that I do professionally, such a small number of referrals do not indicate that your blog has a particularly high readership.
Incidentally, I&#039;ve had the whopping number of 12 referrals off your new site and most of those are you so sorry kiddo, you might be able to talk yourself up to others but you don&#039;t impress me much at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dominic, please refer to my first ever post, shouldn&#8217;t be beyond your limited technical capabilities.  All I can really say on the issue of blog popularity is this.  A while back I duped you into putting a link from your site to mine.  It took only till last week for the total number of referrals from your site to top 100 and many of those are repeat referrals although I could never get round to analysing them all because I&#8217;m far too busy doing other things.<br />
In contrast, a referral from someone like Bob Piper, Tim Ireland or Tom Watson would bag me more than 100 referrals in under a 24 hour period.  I know you may wish to think of yourself as some uber blogger type but on that basis, and believe me, it&#8217;s one of the things that I do professionally, such a small number of referrals do not indicate that your blog has a particularly high readership.<br />
Incidentally, I&#8217;ve had the whopping number of 12 referrals off your new site and most of those are you so sorry kiddo, you might be able to talk yourself up to others but you don&#8217;t impress me much at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Gw</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30381</link>
		<dc:creator>Gw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO agreed - although the stats on incidents is in our favour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO agreed &#8211; although the stats on incidents is in our favour.</p>
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		<title>By: Praguetory</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30334</link>
		<dc:creator>Praguetory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know some would like to paint me in a certain light, but I do try to uphold a certain degree of politeness and restrain on my site, if it ever got to the point of something like Guido</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know some would like to paint me in a certain light, but I do try to uphold a certain degree of politeness and restrain on my site, if it ever got to the point of something like Guido</p>
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		<title>By: Political Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30297</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GGW, I&#039;m sure you feel strongly on this issue and I&#039;m certainly no fan of Tories myself but it&#039;s a bit much to wish fatal accidents on people however much you may dislike them.  I know some would like to paint me in a certain light, but I do try to uphold a certain degree of politeness and restrain on my site, if it ever got to the point of something like Guido&#039;s place then I&#039;d simply shut it down.

If you could do me a favour and hold back on descriptions like &#039;cowboy&#039; and &#039;flag of convenience&#039; then it would be much appreciated.  I do try to keep things accurate and as far as can be ascertained, Flying Lion Limited have an excellent safety record barring that one incident with the undercarriage and I think you may have picked up the &#039;flag of convenience&#039; reference from GW which he later clarified as VP being designated to Bermuda which was what I had originally thought.

However, congratulations on hating Tories, I have no problem with that whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GGW, I&#8217;m sure you feel strongly on this issue and I&#8217;m certainly no fan of Tories myself but it&#8217;s a bit much to wish fatal accidents on people however much you may dislike them.  I know some would like to paint me in a certain light, but I do try to uphold a certain degree of politeness and restrain on my site, if it ever got to the point of something like Guido&#8217;s place then I&#8217;d simply shut it down.</p>
<p>If you could do me a favour and hold back on descriptions like &#8216;cowboy&#8217; and &#8216;flag of convenience&#8217; then it would be much appreciated.  I do try to keep things accurate and as far as can be ascertained, Flying Lion Limited have an excellent safety record barring that one incident with the undercarriage and I think you may have picked up the &#8216;flag of convenience&#8217; reference from GW which he later clarified as VP being designated to Bermuda which was what I had originally thought.</p>
<p>However, congratulations on hating Tories, I have no problem with that whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30296</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, you&#039;re missing the point.  In politics, credibility is very important.  You cannot one day bang on about the environment and the next take a private jet with all it&#039;s additional negative contributions to the environment compared to a standard airliner.  (assuming Cameron was on that particular flight of course).  It smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order and if you think that&#039;s OK, well that&#039;s fine with you but I take issue with it and I&#039;m entitled to do so.

I don&#039;t quite get you point about incentives for more fuel efficient aircraft.  This has been going on for years in the aviation industry as efficiency is a core component of competition, however with lifespans of 50 years, the turnover of aircraft is decidedly slow because airlines have to get their usage out of them for the capital investment.  Yes there is the possibility of replacing some engines during a plane&#039;s lifespan but most factors relating to efficiency come from the design of the overall plane, ie it&#039;s aerodynamics and that isn&#039;t going to change whatever you do.

On flights from London to Khartoum, you are right that BA doesn&#039;t fly direct now.  However, and I did look it up, they used to.  Equally both Lufthansa and Qatar can do the journey with only one change.

I would be careful about making insinuations regarding the allegations of cash for peerages.  You may have missed it but the CPS investigated and there was no case to answer.  It&#039;s curious that I&#039;m getting criticism from those same people who&#039;ve been banging on about that issue for what seems like an eternity and they&#039;ve got completely nowhere nor produced any information that they have claimed to have.  I simply deal in facts, not rumours.  If that&#039;s your cup of tea then I&#039;m sure you&#039;d have a much nicer time over at Guido&#039;s place than here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, you&#8217;re missing the point.  In politics, credibility is very important.  You cannot one day bang on about the environment and the next take a private jet with all it&#8217;s additional negative contributions to the environment compared to a standard airliner.  (assuming Cameron was on that particular flight of course).  It smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order and if you think that&#8217;s OK, well that&#8217;s fine with you but I take issue with it and I&#8217;m entitled to do so.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite get you point about incentives for more fuel efficient aircraft.  This has been going on for years in the aviation industry as efficiency is a core component of competition, however with lifespans of 50 years, the turnover of aircraft is decidedly slow because airlines have to get their usage out of them for the capital investment.  Yes there is the possibility of replacing some engines during a plane&#8217;s lifespan but most factors relating to efficiency come from the design of the overall plane, ie it&#8217;s aerodynamics and that isn&#8217;t going to change whatever you do.</p>
<p>On flights from London to Khartoum, you are right that BA doesn&#8217;t fly direct now.  However, and I did look it up, they used to.  Equally both Lufthansa and Qatar can do the journey with only one change.</p>
<p>I would be careful about making insinuations regarding the allegations of cash for peerages.  You may have missed it but the CPS investigated and there was no case to answer.  It&#8217;s curious that I&#8217;m getting criticism from those same people who&#8217;ve been banging on about that issue for what seems like an eternity and they&#8217;ve got completely nowhere nor produced any information that they have claimed to have.  I simply deal in facts, not rumours.  If that&#8217;s your cup of tea then I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d have a much nicer time over at Guido&#8217;s place than here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Masterley</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30291</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Masterley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political penguin:  If permissibility is not the issue then I can&#039;t see what you are making a fuss about.  Air travel is an accepted mode of transport for long distances and politicians find it necessary or desirable to travel abroad.  Some of that travel may be for party purposes rather than parliamentary purposes.  The use of air travel is not and never has been totally out of the question for environmental reasons.  Limiting use to situations where iut is necessary is advisable, but the Conservatives are not seeking to impose mandatory restrictions despite what Zac Goldsmith or Tim Yeo may have said.  Rather Cameron proposes incentives for more fuel-efficient aircraft.

I hear no Labour voices raised against ministers who use private helicopters at tax payers expense, or against chancellors who increase aviation duty supposedly to dissuade air travel and then use air travel themselves.  As for flights from London to Khartoum, I have no idea who does fly to Khartoum but at present British Airways does not, so if Lord Ashcroft wants to make his plane available to David Cameron for the purposes of such a trip, then I see nothing wrong with that. 

Whatever the value of those gifts it is far less than some of the sums donated to the Labour Party by donors who, unlike Lord Ashcroft, appear to have done little for their chosen party, but appear to hae been doing so for whatever honour might come their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political penguin:  If permissibility is not the issue then I can&#8217;t see what you are making a fuss about.  Air travel is an accepted mode of transport for long distances and politicians find it necessary or desirable to travel abroad.  Some of that travel may be for party purposes rather than parliamentary purposes.  The use of air travel is not and never has been totally out of the question for environmental reasons.  Limiting use to situations where iut is necessary is advisable, but the Conservatives are not seeking to impose mandatory restrictions despite what Zac Goldsmith or Tim Yeo may have said.  Rather Cameron proposes incentives for more fuel-efficient aircraft.</p>
<p>I hear no Labour voices raised against ministers who use private helicopters at tax payers expense, or against chancellors who increase aviation duty supposedly to dissuade air travel and then use air travel themselves.  As for flights from London to Khartoum, I have no idea who does fly to Khartoum but at present British Airways does not, so if Lord Ashcroft wants to make his plane available to David Cameron for the purposes of such a trip, then I see nothing wrong with that. </p>
<p>Whatever the value of those gifts it is far less than some of the sums donated to the Labour Party by donors who, unlike Lord Ashcroft, appear to have done little for their chosen party, but appear to hae been doing so for whatever honour might come their way.</p>
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		<title>By: GGW</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30286</link>
		<dc:creator>GGW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I being stupid or are the Tory Blogosphere all following the same line that it was in order for the leaders of the vermin to acept hospitallity from a cowboy airline Registered&quot; s a &quot;flag of convenience&quot; in Bermuda.

What they have not said, or the Vermin Party has said, is what were the real costs of these freebies compard with what was actually declared.

Mark you what I really want to see is that little report in &quot;Lloyds List&quot; 
sole Dassault Falcon 900EX, registration VP-BMS. Crashed on take off at Stanstead. Reported Engine problems. No survivors. It is believed passengers included The Right Honourables David Cameron, William Hague , Lord Ashton etc.


And yes I am being very nasty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I being stupid or are the Tory Blogosphere all following the same line that it was in order for the leaders of the vermin to acept hospitallity from a cowboy airline Registered&#8221; s a &#8220;flag of convenience&#8221; in Bermuda.</p>
<p>What they have not said, or the Vermin Party has said, is what were the real costs of these freebies compard with what was actually declared.</p>
<p>Mark you what I really want to see is that little report in &#8220;Lloyds List&#8221;<br />
sole Dassault Falcon 900EX, registration VP-BMS. Crashed on take off at Stanstead. Reported Engine problems. No survivors. It is believed passengers included The Right Honourables David Cameron, William Hague , Lord Ashton etc.</p>
<p>And yes I am being very nasty.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30271</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Richard.  Well if you want to be picky about terminology, then a Dassault Falcon isn&#039;t like a Leer jet because, well, it&#039;s not but shall we move on to your points.

See answers to Prat and Alex as regards why the Tories using an executive jet amounts to hypocrisy, not going to write it again.

Nice little dig about taxpayers money.  I do love the myth perpetrated by Tory types that Labour is on some kind of taxpayers junket.  Please remind me again which political party in the UK receives the largest amount of money directly from that taxpayer again?  No, sorry, that doesn&#039;t fit into your line of argument so I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll ignore that.

You make an interesting point about official HM Opposition business.  I would have a little look through the PPERA and their definitions on this one.  According to the register of members interests it&#039;s down as a fact finding visit.  Now this is of course open to differing interpretations but there is also a section that says that if it to develop party policy or for publicity then such things like flights etc should be declared as party donations, ie to the Electoral Commission.

Although I make no accusation because you could easily interpret the matter one way or the other, some people might question whether taking along a journalist from the Telegraph could amount to publicity for electoral gain and if the journey was not to develop policy then please tell me what he was there for?  I don&#039;t see that things have suddenly got better in Darfur since his visit nor what specific role the leader of HM Opposition carries in a constitutional sense by going on such visits.

&#039;If people like Iain Dale and Guido Fawkes wrote about every trivial adjustment to paperwork few people would read their sites. They would have traffic more like yours.&#039;

Couple of points to this statement.  Firstly, you do not know how much traffic goes through my site so you are unqualified to make any statements to that effect.  I, unlike certain people am not a self-publicist nor do I blog for the aggrandisement of my own ego or to climb up any slippery poles.  It&#039;s my hobby and I enjoy it.  I also actually know how to interpret traffic through my site unlike said persons who don&#039;t seem to know the difference between hits, unique visitors or spambots and I&#039;m quite happy with the amount of people who visit my site.

Secondly and I have said this before, more people read the Sun newspaper than all the broadsheets put together so your point is?  Those that pander to the lowest common denominator  get more readers as I&#039;m sure they do.  If the tittle tattle and homophobic comments on Guido&#039;s site are what rocks your boat then feel free to go there, we live in a free society and I&#039;m not forcing you to read my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Richard.  Well if you want to be picky about terminology, then a Dassault Falcon isn&#8217;t like a Leer jet because, well, it&#8217;s not but shall we move on to your points.</p>
<p>See answers to Prat and Alex as regards why the Tories using an executive jet amounts to hypocrisy, not going to write it again.</p>
<p>Nice little dig about taxpayers money.  I do love the myth perpetrated by Tory types that Labour is on some kind of taxpayers junket.  Please remind me again which political party in the UK receives the largest amount of money directly from that taxpayer again?  No, sorry, that doesn&#8217;t fit into your line of argument so I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll ignore that.</p>
<p>You make an interesting point about official HM Opposition business.  I would have a little look through the PPERA and their definitions on this one.  According to the register of members interests it&#8217;s down as a fact finding visit.  Now this is of course open to differing interpretations but there is also a section that says that if it to develop party policy or for publicity then such things like flights etc should be declared as party donations, ie to the Electoral Commission.</p>
<p>Although I make no accusation because you could easily interpret the matter one way or the other, some people might question whether taking along a journalist from the Telegraph could amount to publicity for electoral gain and if the journey was not to develop policy then please tell me what he was there for?  I don&#8217;t see that things have suddenly got better in Darfur since his visit nor what specific role the leader of HM Opposition carries in a constitutional sense by going on such visits.</p>
<p>&#8216;If people like Iain Dale and Guido Fawkes wrote about every trivial adjustment to paperwork few people would read their sites. They would have traffic more like yours.&#8217;</p>
<p>Couple of points to this statement.  Firstly, you do not know how much traffic goes through my site so you are unqualified to make any statements to that effect.  I, unlike certain people am not a self-publicist nor do I blog for the aggrandisement of my own ego or to climb up any slippery poles.  It&#8217;s my hobby and I enjoy it.  I also actually know how to interpret traffic through my site unlike said persons who don&#8217;t seem to know the difference between hits, unique visitors or spambots and I&#8217;m quite happy with the amount of people who visit my site.</p>
<p>Secondly and I have said this before, more people read the Sun newspaper than all the broadsheets put together so your point is?  Those that pander to the lowest common denominator  get more readers as I&#8217;m sure they do.  If the tittle tattle and homophobic comments on Guido&#8217;s site are what rocks your boat then feel free to go there, we live in a free society and I&#8217;m not forcing you to read my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalpenguin.me.uk/?p=262&#038;cpage=1#comment-30268</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Alex Masterley.  Pretty much the same answer as to Prat about me not saying it was not permissible for MP&#039;s to received travel covered by foreign companies although obviously not the stuff about sock puppetry so welcome to the blog.  I think if you read the first post you&#039;ll see that my core concern here is not specifically related to the matter of members interests but to the notion, and I feel it is fair criticism, that the Tories have sought to shift their image away from one of privilege based on greater economic advantage and to claim that they care about the environment.
Flying around on luxury executive jets (and that is an assumption in the case of David Cameron&#039;s trip to the Sudan although it is on record that William Hague did indeed fly in an executive jet) all points to rank hypocrisy on both counts.  More about that later in another post when I get the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Alex Masterley.  Pretty much the same answer as to Prat about me not saying it was not permissible for MP&#8217;s to received travel covered by foreign companies although obviously not the stuff about sock puppetry so welcome to the blog.  I think if you read the first post you&#8217;ll see that my core concern here is not specifically related to the matter of members interests but to the notion, and I feel it is fair criticism, that the Tories have sought to shift their image away from one of privilege based on greater economic advantage and to claim that they care about the environment.<br />
Flying around on luxury executive jets (and that is an assumption in the case of David Cameron&#8217;s trip to the Sudan although it is on record that William Hague did indeed fly in an executive jet) all points to rank hypocrisy on both counts.  More about that later in another post when I get the time.</p>
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